Well if you're like me you have been wondering how you can measure power in a cheap way, but you don't want a piece of crap. And you want something that can take a hike, a run, (probably not a swim), hockey, etc., etc., and convert it to a cycling equivalent that I can put in my WKO+ to find out how tired I am and how fit I am getting. Theoretically, this thing does all that - if it works. Multisport power measurement nirvana.
Reading the reviews on line I have found them to be lacking significant details - like plotted comparisons. And all the armchair experts whining about how heart rate and power aren't fully coupled and therefore it can't possibly work made me think that there had to be more to this thing than a simple heart rate to power correlation. Any high schooler could do that and everyone who has used a powermeter would know it wouldn't work very well. Obviously, change in heart rate had to be part of the calculation, but nobody seemed to mention it. Where are the data?
Anyways, I felt the potential benefits outweighed the potential for a piece of crap and I bought one for a very reasonable price. Really, price is the other huge advantage for this thing compared to other power meters (can you say "an order of magnitude"?) - if it works of course. Seemed to be vaporware for a long, long time, but finally I was able to buy one - arrived yesterday.
So I took my Quarq - recently calibrated and rebuilt to boot - hitched to the Garmin 500 and my brand new Powercal hitched to my Garmin 705 on a 3+ hour training ride today. Talk about data - two displays to watch while listening to tunes on my Blackberry. I was wired to the gills. Radiation nirvana.
The value of a long ride is that I could put the thing through a variety of activities - short sharp efforts between stop signs and lights, small hill attacks, longer hill attacks, some steady riding and some slacking off of course. About the only thing I didn't bother with was high intensity sprints because I doubted it would work for those anyway.
Now for the stats:
Surprise! The Powercal isn't simply using heart rate as predicted by power. Actually not a surprise as that would be pretty useless. When riding, it is obvious that the meter is using the rate of change of heart rate as well. When your heart rate is increasing, power is high for a given heart rate, when your heart rate is dropping, power drops, even to 0 at high heart rates. Which is entirely realistic if you stop pedaling. Looking at the data, the algorithm is complicated - e.g., for a rising heart rate followed by a steady heart rate - power rises and then drops - for both the Quarq and the Powercal. That's comforting.Looking at the scatter, it is similar to the Quarq, but notice the banding of the Powercal relationship. I could speculate that it is using discrete categories of rate of change of heart rate instead of a continuous relationship. But I prefer not to speculate. The important part is that this scatter looks realistic. Since points are obviously plotting over top of each other due to the discrete nature of the relationship, we can't tell if it matches the Quarq really well or not. Who cares. The next graph is what you should care about.
Well I'll be a monkey's uncle. That's not too bad is it? This is without calibrating anything. Apparently, calibration didn't tend to make anything better for most of us, so CycleOps removed all the videos on how to calibrate that used to be out there. That's a timesaver. And you don't need another powermeter to use this thing. This graph shows that the Powercal does a decent job of tracking all kinds of efforts.I wanted to zoom in on the first part of the ride where my power was more erratic due to lights, pedestrians, stop signs, etc. Here's what I saw:
Again, amazing. There seems to be a noticeable delay in peak efforts which is understandable as there is a time lag for heart rate to respond. But only a few seconds and the peaks are mostly all there. Anything over about 20 seconds is nicely tracked so you can use this for most types of intervals. Nice and not unlike comparisons of powermeters that measure power directly I have seen.
Unfortunately, for me it does tend to underestimate power at higher power levels and slightly overestimate power at very low levels. I expect results will vary depending on your unique heart rate versus power relationship. I think the relationship is a bit better than the trend line shows - the very low values are pushing the line down a bit at higher wattages. The scatter is expected due to the time lag relative to the Quarq inherent in heart rate.
How important is this? Well for comparing to other cyclists, this suggests I'm not working as hard as I really am. Might matter for bragging rights for example - (My power was X for 5 minutes, what was yours? Yeah but who got up the hill faster? Just export your files as GPX for upload to Strava and no one will ever know.). For planning and evaluating workouts, this lower power doesn't matter at all. Relative to itself, it is consistent and therefore doing a pretty good job. There are occasional random spikes, but not a big deal.
There you have it. I can self calibrate - on this ride the Quarq TSS was about one third higher than the Powercal (actually 38%, average power was 13.5% higher, normalized power was 17.6% higher, VI=1.25). Maybe do a couple of more rides to check. I'm not too worried that the power values themselves don't match but I want a good measure of training stress. If you didn't have another powermeter, you wouldn't have to care about calibrating one to the other. You don't need to match anything.
Other comments - I really like the heart rate strap on this thing - very comfy but it may be a bit short for big guys. Works fine for me though and I'm over 180 cm (5 11 - used to be 6 feet, but I shrunk). I did have to loosen it almost all the way to fit my gigantic chest. Maybe it stretches, I don't know. No trouble syncing to my Garmin. Heart rate average was 1 bpm lower than the Garmin strap. Go figure. Makes it that much harder to hit threshold I guess.
Multisport nirvana? - check. Low cost? - check. Good buy? - checkmate. Unless you are a bit anal, this thing is all you really need for training with power. Buy one, determine your threshold power using it as described in many training books and blogs, and then train, dammit. You just saved yourself a couple of grand or so and guess what? You will get faster just as quickly with this as you would with the expensive powermeters.
Additional Calibration Rides
Did various rides and portioning of rides to get Variability Indices of 1.01 to 1.43 for 30 to 200 minute chunks. And lots of variability of effort from cruising to time trial mode, to intervals. No apparent relationship to variability index. Stopping does tend to give you a power reading on the Powercal when you move around so that of course is wrong - it reduces the difference between the Quarq and the Powercal. Normally not significant (e.g., traffic lights) unless you do it for a good chunk of your ride - pause that Ant+ device when you stop for lunch. Other than that I am getting an average of 31% higher TSS, 11% higher Ave Power, 14% higher Normalized Power for the Quarq on this hodgepodge of data.
August 24, 2012 Update - Well I have had some quality time with the Powercal and I still like the way it works... most of the time. I have encountered one problem that also occurs with my Garmin heart rate straps, but not as badly. They only work well when you are sweating at least a bit. When you are a bit chilly, like today unfortunately, it takes some time for the monitor to give you a reasonable reading. On the bright side, I have never hit over 3000 watts until recently. But I'm a little concerned that might be incorrect. I am finding the Powercal heart rate strap is a little more temperamental in this regard than the Garmin strap. Once you are fully warmed up and sweating a bit, it works well. That can take 15 or more minutes though depending how cold and windy it is. And yes, I put spit on it.
October 14, 2012 - more update and some comment cleanup - I am finding the meter works well when I'm sweaty and works really poorly when I'm a little chilly as happens all too often for the foreseeable future - until spring. I don't have to be hypothermic chilly, just that "warm enough to keep riding and not put on my jacket" chilly. Basically, the heart rate readings get sporadic and the power readings get really wacky. I did try an assortment of cremes and some helped a bit. But none solved the problem. The heart rate monitor definitely does not pick up your heart rate as well as the Garmin strap and it seems to be getting more sporadic over time for some reason. Here is a very good thorough discussion of the issue and solutions. This can be quite irritating if you are a detail person. Plus your TSS can be somewhat out of whack compared to the TSS when you manually remove the spikes.
The strap doesn't receive data from the Garmin, it only sends. I made my weight 270 kg and my power readings were unchanged. I'm pretty sure I was the fastest climbing 270 kg person in the country but I didn't check. To do list for Strava? Course then I'd have to pay.....



28 comments:
Excellent review and exhibits, thank you for sharing. Did you have a chance to plot Power against the first/second derivatives of HR, to see how far the algorithm has to go? Since it uses discrete value it probably sticks to the first derivative, but I wonder if results can be tailored to individuals by also using the second derivative.
No because I have no idea how to do that. Of course if you have a power monitor you could take a crack at developing your own algorithm, then apply the results to your recorded heart rate values from any activity using any heart rate recording device to determine power - essentially your own personalized powercal. Or you could buy this and simply use it, thanking smart people for providing this technology like I do.
Yup, I've ordered one a few days ago. The cycling nut in me will just be use it and be happy that someone at Cycleops decided to launch this thing (a bold move, since it seems capable of cannibalizing some of the PowerTap sales). However the geek part of me will try, just like you did, to figure out how they manage to pull this off!
I have to admit I looked at it a bit and it is complicated. I hope they make lots of money - nice work.
Great review. I am giving the PowerCal a try because I really like portability between 5 bikes. I have a good news/bad news finding that has been verified by CycleOps.
Bad news: My true power data is not even close to accurate because my physiology falls outside of the range of the algorithm. My HR runs much lower than average thus my watts read low compared with testing.
Good news: the data is VERY consistent which makes it a useful tool.
For the price this is a great tool. Not sure of how the algorithm voodoo works, but it is pretty crazy to see watts at 0 when your HR is still pegged from an effort.
Yeah, the lower wattage isn't perfect, but as long as the data are consistent measures of effort, it is still a great tool and perfectly functional. You just end up with a lower threshold power and scale your training program to that threshold. Your TSS, ATL and CTL would be correct. Instead of measuring watts, I guess the Powercal is measuring something slightly different that will vary from person to person. If you are a "high beater" then I expect you will get higher wattages from the Powercal.
Just got my Powercal this weekend, and did ~90 miles of riding over 2 days with it at moderate-hard effort. I am a high beater and think I get some higher readings from my Powercal than what is actual.
Regarding heart rate, as compared to my garmin strap, it seems the Powercal is a bit more "chatty" in that my heart rate seems to fluctuate between beats a bit more, as in going from like 140-139-140-141-140 in rapid succession as opposed to locking into a value and having a more smooth line... I am wondering if this is normal behavior or not? I do notice that the garmin 500 is now recording data much more often than previously, I did have it set to "smart recording" for this test run, but I am switching to 1second for this coming week's worth of rides. Do you think there is anything amiss with the heart rate value fluctuations?
Mine records every 0.017 minutes according to the file - every second for the rest of us. Sometimes mine sits at a single HR value, sometimes it jumps as much as 12 bpm in one second from a quick scan of one file. But mine doesn't randomly jitter up and down one beat per second. I do see the power jittering between two values though - part of that banding artifact in the first graph. You can see it in places in the third graph.
Was your strap making good contact? Were you sweaty? Did you put some spit (ew, gross) on the plastic strips on either side of the plastic brain do-hickey? I have found this heart rate strap to work much better than the Garmin strap as far as picking up a signal before I work up a sweat. But on the Garmin strap I often got super high heart rates for the first 5-10 minutes of a ride. Even with the spit thing.
Hope this helps.
Hi, does this device taking into consideration rider weight,VAM, %uphill and another data? So if it takes care also of that then this accuracy has sense.Anyone know how it interacts with GPS Ant+ device?
It could read data from the GPS Ant+ device, but I don't know if it does. Concerning elevation-related data, that wouldn't be much of a benefit because when I watch my Garmin on a hill, it is quite a bit behind the real elevation change. There is a big time lag of variable length and this can be seen in the Quarq power files where power spikes before elevation change shows up. I would say elevation is somewhat further behind reality than my heart rate.
Weight would provide some level of calibration if it gets used. I will give that a try.
Hi. Great analysis, thanks.
Do you know why the calibration videos were pulled? How would the calculations behave when your conditioning improves? Should there not be a way to have the algorithm reflect that?
Not sure why they were pulled. And I never actually watched one so I don't know how it worked. The relationship won't change, but as your fitness improves, you would change your threshold power and adapt your workouts accordingly. So it will still work for you. It won't match the accuracy of a meter that actually measures power but its very very good for the money.
I've been emailing you from Saskatoon's finest hotel and ordered a PowerCal based on your earlier review. In addition I also picked up Hunter Allen's book on training with power earlier today. So, thanks for the excellent recommendations.
The actual reason I'm writing is to offer up a hint as to getting better contact with your HR Strap. Here's what I've found to work pretty well.
After applying chamois cream to my junk I do a light rinse of my hand with water and schmear the chamois / water mixture right where the HR contacts would be. Then I wet the HR strap contacts under the tap and "strap on".
I've yet to have any idiosyncratic BPM irregularities using this technique. It seems to work with Assos and Chamois Butter. Let me know if it works for you.
1The first review that understands that's it's all about HRV. Otherwise Polar would have produced it in the 80'-s already as stated.
The funny thing is that there has done some serious research concerning HRV in Russia/ UK/US but with a complete different goal. That was finding the exact moment of supercompensation of an athlete. To my conclusion there was not really a great break tough. Despite the effort, there has not be a claim of a good test... (maybe someone knows the omega wave....didn't work!)
Anyhow: using HRV to measure wattage and in a accurate way, i am still positively surprised. My powercal is waiting to be used! Good riding!
Just started using my Powercal with a Garmin 800. Strange thing happens - when I stop pedaling, the cadence on the Garmin reads 255. When I start pedaling again, the cadence reads normally. Anyone else noticed this?
My garmin 800 read 255 cadence as well when stopped
I also get a reading of 255 rpm on my Garmin - if I don't have a cadence sensor on the bike. But when I upload to Training Peaks, the 255 isn't there. It shows no data. So it hasn't been a concern to me, just a curiosity. I don't have the Powercal cadence sensor though.
Does it work with a garmin forerunner 405 and garmin GCS 10 cadence sensor?
Don't know - I don't have that unit. If the Garmin 405 picks up other Ant+ powermeters it should work. The Powercal doesn't pick up cadence, the Garmin does. So if that Garmin 405 works for cadence now, then it works after as well.
Let say I weight 180 pounds and I ride for an hour at an average of 150 bpm. Then let say that my grilfirend weight 115 pounds and ride also for an hour with an average of 150 bpm....
Will the watts average will be the same assuming that the wight doesn't seems to be consider in their algorithm?
I believe the watts will be the same, yes. So you can't compare between riders. However, you and your gal can both determine your threshold wattage, build training programs, determine your training stress score, etc. for yourselves and these will be valid - for yourselves.
To see who is the better rider, use velocity, not power or heart rate. True regardless of the power meter.
Anonymous> I think the power calculation has to take changes in HR into calculation, the shape of the HR curve would be different for the girl and the guy, even if landing at the same HR.
But how would the Powercal know who is who? It doesn't get any info from the Garmin. Of course I can't change into a woman to check, but weighing 270 kg didn't change anything versus my actual 70 kg.
But how would the Powercal know who is who? It doesn't get any info from the Garmin. Of course I can't change into a woman to check, but weighing 270 kg didn't change anything versus my actual 70 kg.
You did a great job in reviewing the features and performance of Cycleops Powercal and Quarq. Based on your findings, the former is a lot better. Thanks for sharing!
I have recently purchased a PowerCal and note all the issues with the Garmin head unit don't seem to occur with the Cycleops head unit (Joule). Although I don't live in a cold climate so I can't rule that one out.
Unfortunately, I live in a stupidly cold climate. Especially this April.
I live in a stupidly cold climate too especially this year.
Thank you for your review. I've had my Powercal since Christmas and was disconcerted by what seemed like really high numbers compared to sessions on a Computrainer. And I'm a low beater. I wonder if it takes into account being female or male? I did talk to a rep at Cycleops and he assured me the readings would stay true relative to themselves. I do like how you helped me finally internalize that the algorithm notes change of heat rate over time. Thanks for your post.
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